BackStory Podcast!

Back Story is a show where host, Alex Roberts, interviews members of the role-playing community and the discussion ranges from game design to at table play. The particular interview that I’m choosing to write about is Alex’s conversation with Adam Koebel but I want to note that a lot of what was good about this episode is present in the rest of the show. To start at the beginning, the intro is recorded separately, seemingly after the since it contain not just a background explanation of who Adam is but also a summary of what is going to be discussed throughout the episode. An actual description of what the episode is going to talk about can help not just people who don’t know the guest but also since there a many facets to the role-playing community it is also useful to inform members of the community the direction of the conversation.

I feel like part of what makes the conversation in this interview standout is that Alex and Adam are both active and contributing members to the community they’re discussing. They aren’t some outside forces conjecturing about role playing games but instead people who are working and full engaged with making the community better. To both of their credit, it doesn’t come off as in insular discussion, instead Alex is able contextualize the topics and Adam connect his answers to concepts outside of the role-playing community, making them accessible. One of the aspects of this interview that makes it so strong is was Alex’s knowledge of Adam’s areas of expertise and passion. The interview doesn’t waste time with failed attempts to engage the interviewee, it seems as though Alex knew the answer to most of the questions asked. Rather than a critique, I think this a sign of a well informed interviewer, instead of hoping the interviewee will wander in the intended direction. Alex didn’t solely rely on a connection to the community but also put in the research, she effectively used Adam’s quotes to spark new veins of conversation.  

http://oneshotpodcast.com/backstory/60-adam-koebel/

Podcast Exemplar: The Allusionist #95

https://www.theallusionist.org/

The Allusionist is a linguistics podcast hosted by Helen Zaltzman. In episode 95, Helen Zaltzman interviews David Peterson, a language creator and writer, who talks about his work making the Dothraki and Valerian languages for HBO series Game of Thrones. I really am excited that I stumbled upon this podcast because I’m interested in linguistics and I am a big Game of Thrones fan. This episode is a pleasure to listen to for me since it combines these two subjects.

Helen Zaltzman’s voice is clear and authoritative, bringing attention to her questions and informative statements during the interview as she guides David Peterson’s passionate delve into language creation for Game of Thrones and in general. Zaltzman did well in gently shaping the conversation with Peterson in a manner that allowed him to go on as much as his passion needed him to. I learned how extensive language creation is and how involved it can be, even more so if there is a written system for the new language.

I think that fans of the epic fantasy television show would enjoy this podcast interview because of the insight given to the Dothraki and Valerian languages creation and development. A part of the interview that I like but also may be on the longer side is Peterson talking about the word “Khaleesi” and the issue of its pronunciation. He goes into depth about his mistake with the word “Khaleesi” and how its current pronunciation isn’t right according to how he constructed the Dothraki language, although it honors George R.R. Martin’s spelling of it in the novels.

Podcast Exemplar: Otherppl

Otherppl is a weekly podcast hosted by Brad Listi who interviews upcoming and successful authors about their work and lives. This week’s episode is podcast #571 with bestselling author Roger McNamee where Brad and Roger discuss Roger’s new book “Zucked: The Facebook Catastrophe”.

I was apprehensive when I first starting listening to the podcast because Brad talks very slowly and is very monotone; However, I chose this podcast because if I was going to listen to a podcast, I’d want to listen to people talk about books, so I kept going. What I like about Brad’s hosting is that he opens discussing a little about the guest and topic today, and then lets his guest introduce themselves and the topic/book they’ll be talking about. He’s not rushed; He just let’s them tell their story. Beneath the podcast player, Brad gives a paragraph-long summary about the author and the subject for today. He asks clarifying questions and engaging comments every few minutes or so, but it’s mostly a long story told by the guest speaker. His comments and questions definitely steer Roger’s story.

Today, we know Zuckerberg as the jerk who started Facebook, but Roger was an early investor and advised Zuckerberg, so he knew him well. He talks about the first time they met and first impressions. Then he goes deeper into the signs he missed at the beginning that put Zuckerberg and Facebook down a dark rabbit hole. I don’t like how Roger constantly talks over the host. I’m not sure if that’s a normal practice that Brad lets people do, but I don’t appreciate it as a listener. It sounds to me like a truthful expose, but also a tool for Roger to frame his side of things, so he doesn’t get blamed for Facebooks privacy issues, politics, and rigging election results. Roger constantly says, “I started to notice…” I wanted the host to ask, “So what did you do about it?” and more direct questions about his role. Could he have done anything? Could he have spoken out sooner?

http://otherppl.com/roger-mcnamee-interview/

Podcast Exemplar: Josh Peck Interviews Josh Gad on “Curious”

Just like with the website exemplars, I was scrambling to find something to talk about for this post because, honestly, I don’t ever listen to podcasts — mostly because I feel like have too short of an attention span to consume lengthy media that’s just sound and nothing else. Still, in the back of my mind, I remembered that Josh Peck — one of my favorite TV actors from my childhood — mentioned in one of his personal YouTube videos that he has a podcast called “Curious” that he recently started hosting, and so I went to check it out and see what it involved. 

In essence, “Curious” is centered around exactly what it sounds like it would be, which is interviewing all kinds of different, fascinating people (celebrities and unknowns alike) whose life stories and insights Josh Peck is simply “curious” to learn more about. Scrolling through the list of recorded episodes to find one to watch, I noticed that Episode 23 (recorded in October 2018) featured actor Josh Gad, and I immediately zeroed in on that one. After all, since I’m big fans of both Joshes separately — Josh Peck from the early-2000’s sitcom Drake & Josh, and Josh Gad as the voice of Olaf in Frozen and as LeFou in the live-action Beauty and the Beast remake — and since they both tend to be such jovial, funny people, I was really interested to see how their similar personalities would interact together. Happily, the podcast didn’t disappoint. 

Only a few minutes into the actual interview (which starts around 15 minutes into the recording), Josh Peck (the host) jumps in to say, “I don’t know what the theme of this podcast is, but this feels great.” Indeed, I think that one of the best things about this podcast is how comfortable the host and the guest sound talking to each other. Of course, this could be because they’re not complete strangers — they mention that they’ve been co-stars once before — but regardless, their total relaxation and jokiness throughout the whole conversation makes the podcast a lot more enjoyable to listen to. Matter of fact, as far as I could tell, there were hardly any “ummm’s” or awkward pauses from either Joshes throughout more than an hour and a half of recording, which speaks to how good they both are at smartly articulating themselves. 

Another thing I was impressed by was the sophistication of the topics. After all, in most of the televised interviews with Josh Gad that I’ve watched (and I’ve admittedly watched my fair share of them), the main subject inevitably always goes back to Frozen — particularly, the fact that Josh Gad’s “real-life” voice is so similar to the one he uses for Olaf the snowman that he can never escape the association. Here, though, Josh Gad’s role as Olaf only gets brought up in this podcast once toward the end — and that was just to briefly explain his external acting process of assuming the voice of such a “wide-eyed” and “childlike” character. Aside from that, the majority of the podcast is focused on much deeper, more compelling things — things that I never would’ve thought to ask or expected to learn. Just to name a few standouts: Josh Gad’s father being a Jewish man from Afghanistan; how close Josh Gad is with his mom; the unpredictability of how good a movie will actually turn out to be no matter the crew’s effort (or lack thereof); Josh Gad’s early-career struggles and roles on Broadway (particularly The Book of Mormon); and Josh Gad’s willingness to participate in political activism despite the inevitable pushback that comes with it. (On that last note, I have to say that I was really impressed by how open both Joshes were about their own political views, seeing as that’s something of a taboo topic in these very volatile political times.) 

As for Josh Peck’s role as a host, I think he does a great job overall. As I’ve already mentioned, I appreciate that the topics he brought up were so much more compelling and unconventional than the typically rehashed, role-centric questions that usually get lobbed at actors like Josh Gad who are mostly known for portraying one iconic character. Additionally, when the podcast has to take ad breaks — the first around the 39-minute mark, and the second around the 1-hour, 7-minute mark — Josh Peck tries to make them at least painless by infusing an energetic, conversational tone into his voiceovers for them. Similarly, I noticed that the write-up descriptions for the podcast also have that same fun, light-hearted tone to them, as in this example: “[Josh Gad] is the kind of guy you lead with when trying to get other guests. … Boom! Obama says yes from the mere mention of his name.” Best of all, though, right before the podcast ends, he asks Josh Gad to list four or five “commandments” that he’d like to impart to listeners, mentioning that this is something he regularly asks of all of his podcast guests. Indeed, I think that it’s a really cool idea to incorporate some kind of repeatable “feature” like this into every podcast episode, one that all guests, regardless of their different backgrounds and expertise, can participate in. 

Really, the only gripe I have with this podcast is that it takes more than 13 minutes of random, preambled reflection from Josh Peck before the topic pivots to the guest, and then another minute or so of necessary but still info-dumpy introduction before the actual interview starts around the 14-minute, 30-second mark. Other than that, though, I thought this was a really good episode to serve as my first foray into the world of podcasts. Also, although I might not feel compelled to sit through the entirety of more hour-plus-long podcasts, I’ll definitely tune in to at least snippets of more “Curious” episodes in the future. 

Podcast Exemplar: Therapy for Black Girls – Exploring Vulnerability

This podcast by Dr. Joy Harden-Bradford – Licensed Psychologist – Atalanta, GA. Joined by Chasity Chandler – Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Certified Addictions Specialist – Port Saint Lucie, Florida.

The podcast touched on how difficult it is for black girls/women to understand and accept vulnerability in their lives, as we are taught to always be strong and unflinching, almost unemotional.

This conversation looked at the various aspects of vulnerability in black girls and women, and how that presents itself. It is never just one feeling. It presents as shame, harassment, bullying (before we are bullied), a sense of being less than, being judgmental of others experiencing the same emotions that we are, being biased against something that we actually understand but feel that we may be judged for, so the defense mechanism is .

The guest suggested The Gifts of Imperfection by author Brene Brown, to assist with identifying, coping with, and overcoming vulnerability.

As someone who has never heard of the podcaster nor her guest, I understood and appreciated the conversation, the need for bringing this to the forefront of therapy discussions, and the ways in which to go about being treated for these types of feelings. The host was well prepared with questions for her guest, and there were no gaps of silence during the interview. Questions were asked and answered with clarity.

http://therapyforblackgirls.com

Podcast Interview Exemplar: Armchair Expert

Armchair Expert is a podcast created by Dax Shepard, most widely known for his roles in films like Without A Paddle, Zathura, and Employee of the Month, as well as his recurring role as Crosby in the NBC series Parenthood.

Dax’s podcast runs weekly and typically features other famous actors and actresses such as Sophia Bush, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Michael Peña. His site’s tagline simply states, “Welcome to the Armchair Expert, a podcast that celebrates the messiness of being human.”

I listened to episode 82 this week, which featured New Girl and Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse star Jake Johnson. While I was listening, I took note of a few things I liked that I think contributes to the success of the show. Although it’s clear Dax and Jake have met before, listeners don’t feel like outsiders in the conversation. Dax has clearly done his research, a fact that Jake even points out himself, and he brings the audience into their conversation in a way that doesn’t feel forced. I never thought at any point: oh he’s interviewing Jake about this or that – the conversation flowed very nicely and the two had a nice banter going.

Another thing I noticed was that the conversation between the two felt authentic. Dax isn’t afraid to talk about touchy subjects, and in fact, he got Jake to open up rather quickly about some deeper topics by first opening up himself. The two go off on a long tangent about their alcoholic fathers and how they did or didn’t mend their relationships later on in life. Dax brings out a vulnerable side of Jake and his other guests by reciprocating the openness.

I noticed that this episode in particular started off pretty heavy (what with the alcoholic dads and such) but then got into lighter topics such as Jake’s time on New Girl, their wives and daughters, and how Jake got stuck at Natalie Portman’s house. After a bit of this easier conversation, they gravitate back into a more intense conversation about addiction and drugs and how they will talk about drugs to their children one day. The interview comes full circle but doesn’t put pressure on the guest.

Like many other podcasts, you can listen to Armchair Expert on Spotify, which is how I enjoyed it, but you can also tune in on Apple Podcasts or on Dax’s site, https://armchairexpertpod.com/

The link to the Jake Johnson episode: https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/jake-johnson

Podcast interview exemplar: Gaby Dunn interviews Stephanie Beatriz

Bad with Money with Gaby Dunn is one of my favorite podcasts; I’ve listened to every episode, which I can’t say about any other shows. I followed Dunn’s comedy channel on YouTube before she started her podcast, and the show’s first season draws largely on her and her guests’ experiences with class transition and the showbiz industry in Hollywood. (For the second and third seasons, Dunn — an Emerson alum! — drew on her experience as an investigative reporter to look at wider issues through a social justice lens – like student debt, medical bills, campaign finance laws, our food system, and more.) As a podcaster and an interviewer, Dunn is frank and unfiltered, thoughtful and well-researched but spontaneous. She doesn’t shy away from exploring uncomfortable issues or revealing her own money woes. Also, as a formerly broke millennial, she’s super relatable to her audience.

Bad with Money album art

One of my all-time favorite Bad with Money episodes aired as part of Season 1 in November 2016. In The New American Dream, Dunn interviews actor Stephanie Beatriz, who plays Rosa Diaz on Brooklyn 99, about Beatriz’s own experience with class transition and her immigrant experience (Beatriz immigrated to America from Argentina with her family at the age of 3). The episode was particularly timely due to the anti-immigrant rhetoric that has been around more or less constantly and overtly since the run-up to the 2016 election.

I’ve listened to plenty of audio interviews, for podcasts and other media, that were fairly awkward — it was obvious that the host and the guest didn’t have a great rapport. In contrast, I love Dunn’s interview of Beatriz because the two already knew each other before recording the show, which immediately makes the interview engaging and warm. Beatriz talks about growing up as a poor Latina immigrant in a wealthy Texas town and, later, how she made it in Hollywood after years of hard work as an actor. Dunn is great at drawing out these stories, and she knows which questions to ask since she’s also experienced a class transition – from what clothing brands Beatriz coveted as a poor middle schooler to what jobs she did to make ends meet before getting cast as Rosa.

Dunn always does a great job of assuming her listeners are starting from zero in terms of knowledge of whatever subject she’s covering – which is super helpful when it comes to concepts like subprime mortgages. In this interview, Dunn asks questions that walk the listener through Beatriz’s experience of working the regional theater circuit and then the process of making it in Hollywood, as well as the uncomfortable feelings and strange situations that come from suddenly going from being broke to actually having quite a bit of money — like Beatriz’s guilt over buying a nice piece of furniture for her new apartment, even though she could afford it. In this case, the match between interviewer and interviewee is flawless, and allows Beatriz to share her life experiences clearly and candidly.

Like most podcasts, you can find Bad With Money on iTunes (check it out here), Spotify, and wherever else you get your podcasts (I prefer Overcast); it’s well worth a listen. Enjoy!

Favorite Interview Based Podcast

My favorite interview-based-podcast is called Chicks in the Office. It’s sponsored by Barstool sports and consists of two girls in their twenties talking about pop culture and occasionally having special guests/ interviews with celebrities.

This episode has an interview with Constance Zimmer who was on Entourage and House of Cards. What I like about this interview is it does not feel like an interview. It feels more like a couple of friends talking about current events and their lives. The hosts did do their homework and knew what they were talking about when asking Constance about the shows she’s on and has been on. Someone who has never heard of this goes would be able to understand and appreciate the conversation because they don’t just talk about Constance’s career and the shows she has done. They also talk about culture that is happening now and music, tv shows, and movies. This is the kind of podcast that is not really educational, more of just conversational and pop culture driven, so there aren’t any opinions or stances to agree or disagree with. I was pretty happy with the questions the interviewers asked Constance, because I personally have not watched the main tv shows she has been in, Im not a huge fan of her work, so all the information I learned about her was new and interesting.

Check out the podcast here:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/newyork/mamma-mia-ft-constance-zimmer

Podcast Interview Exemplar: Ear Hustle

Ear Hustle is a podcast that is recorded in San Quentin State Prison by former prisoner Earlonne Woods and visual artist Nigel Poor. The pair record in the prison’s media lab and interview prisoners who are willing to share their stories. The podcast allows prisoners to give listeners a direct look at what prison life is like – sharing the true reality of prison that Hollywood often glosses over.

I have included a link to episode 2 of Ear Hustle, “Misguided Loyalty.” This episode follows the story of Tommy Shakur Ross, a former gang member who is serving time at San Quentin State Prison for the murder of a rival gang member. What I enjoy about this interview is how it has been edited to create what sounds to be a seamless narrative told by Mr. Ross. There are times when Earlonne and Nigel interrupt Mr. Ross’s narrative to insert their own commentary, this was done post-interview and stands in for the questions that should be in its place.

This choice, to remove the questions from the initial interview and insert commentary, creates this feeling that you are listening to a seamless story instead of separate answers to the host’s questions. Given, this interview was bound to have a story-like resemblance no matter what. The episode tells us the tale about how Mr. Ross ended up in prison and his journey away from his gang affiliation as “Joker.” Still, had the interview been left with the original prompts and questions in place, it might have come across more probing rather than giving Mr. Ross a platform to tell his story. Removing the interviewer gives the interviewee greater control over their story and is one of the things I think makes this episode so engaging.

Ear Hustle is interesting in this respect because this is how most of their episodes play out. An inmate, or two, tell their story and it is edited together almost seamlessly with Earlonne and Nigel sprinkling in their commentary post-edit. It is an uncommon way to present an interview but I find it refreshing. This format really gives the inmates of San Quentin an opportunity to tell their story as raw and unfiltered as possible. I don’t feel like the interviewers are trying to guide the stories in any one particular direction, they just want to let it play out. I think that in a prison system where so much is regulated and there is little control over personal choices, this kind of interview format is one small way to give control back to the inmates.

If you haven’t checked out Ear Hustle I encourage you to do so, link below.

https://www.earhustlesq.com

Podcast Interview Exemplar: Bitesize Irish

Photo courtesy of bitesize.irish

Dia dhuit agus fáilte!

Bitesize Irish Podcast (previously named Bitesize Irish Gaelic Podcast), is an Irish language podcast that provides resources, a sense of community, and Irish culture to learners of the language outside of the Gaeltacht, the Irish-speaking communities in Ireland. Eoin, the host and a native Irish speaker, hosts the show, which features guests nearly every episode. It’s a fantastic podcast for anyone wanting to gain an authentic understanding of Irish culture with a funny and genuine communicator.

Let’s explore what makes Eoin’s podcast successful! For reference, check out episode 15: “Ever Considered Moving to Ireland?

This particular episode speaks to the show’s audience; listeners who are likely people living outside of Ireland and who desperately yearn for a connection to the Irish culture. Guest Brian Casey (Casathaigh), an American, has just moved with his family to Ireland on a three-year visa and shares his experiences on moving and learning the language. Eoin sources guests that may be known, such as Irish author Felicity Hayes-McCoy) to people who resemble the ideal listener, people like Casey, who are learning Irish without a sense of community to support them, and Eoin does the appropriate research to frame each episode around a topic of interest, in this case, moving to Ireland.

Eoin is tremendously kind in his interviews. Each podcast feels like sitting around a fireplace, drinking tea, and listening to friends talk about their journeys. Questions are often phrased in a personable, rather than up-front interview manner. For example, “That’s lovely. So, to go into something more practical, Janet’s question, I’ve heard from a lot of people who really have considered moving to Ireland. Put yourself in their shoes, Brian, what would your next steps and tips be for them if they want to live in Ireland?” The way Eoin frames questions is usually with some sort of positive or encouraging response that was previous said, then he provides context for the question, whether by tying it to something previously mentioned or to a question or theme, and then personalizes it by using the guest’s name and asking their opinion. Throughout the interview, Eoin is quiet, providing ample time for the guest to share their story, but you can often hear him making soft sounds of agreement, like “Hm” or “Yeah.”

In “Ever Considered Moving to Ireland,” listeners learn that you can only acquire a three year visa into Ireland after entering the country on your 90 day visa from your respective country. Working from home, as Brian and his wife do, will make the process much easier. If you have children, Brian’s son is ten, finding schools are easy, but learning Irish is a requirement. Repeatedly, Brian mentions how friendly and forthcoming Irish natives are and he hopes to stay “as long as Ireland will have [him].”

Eoin does such a thorough job of preparing questions listeners want to hear, the logistics of moving, the experience of learning the language, while also engaging in a genuine conversation that I don’t feel anything is lacking by the end of the episode. It’s fun to hear the small ways in which our cultures naturally differ; small talk, such as the weather, seems to have weight to a conversation in Ireland because Eoin cares enough about Brian’s perspective on the differences he’s experienced during the move. The weather, like most small talk, is not just a placeholder of forced politeness in a a conversation, but an opportunity to appreciate Brian’s story. Eoin is generous and grateful with all of his guests in a way that doesn’t make the episodes feel like interviews and it’s such a unique treat.

Go raibh mile maith agat agus slan go foil!

Death, Sex, and Money: An Interview with an Iraq veteran

Death, Sex, and Money is one of my favorite podcasts and has been for years. I really enjoy their discussion of taboo topics—not just because I’m perversely interested and nosy about other peoples’ lives (which is true) but also because of their calm, nonjudgmental approach to interviews. Host Anna Sale focuses on getting to and exploring the core emotions underlying the interviewees’ experiences and decisions, even (and especially) when those decisions are morally questionable or unorthodox.

I thought this interview with a young Iraq veteran, a South Korean-American man named Tom, was a great exemplar of the podcast’s style. Right off the bat, he’s a subject that a lot of WNYC’s (young, liberal) listeners would hold internalized judgement for—someone who willingly participated and fought in the Iraq war. The host does a great job delving into not only the part of his story that revolves around the war, but also how it has affected him for years after, his thought process before enlisting, and all the in-between parts.

I really like the way Death, Sex, and Money is stylized, as well. The interviews aren’t always linear and often don’t record both the questions and answers; instead they arrange the interview in the way that makes it most interesting narrative-wise, often eliminating the host’s voice/questions in order to focus on the subject and string their story together more seamlessly. They insert the questions only when they are digging deepest into their emotions, and usually keep in the subject’s pauses, breaths, etc., making it all very human. I would highly recommend this podcast for anyone looking for a new listen!

You can hear the entire episode here: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/thom-tran-death-sex-money